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fuck

i hate myself and that show now

i might have to miss next week if there's a game

it would be game 6 lakers

a show that doesn't pay isn't worth it

if i remember correctly

yeah fuck that im watching the game

yes i'm right

thats gonna be the end of the series

game 3 = game 7

huh?

i stand by my claim the winner of game 3 wins game 4

and then that shit it over

*is

but that mainly because i think the nuggets will win game 3

i almost typed nuggers again

now im really self-conscious again

u are buggin gout

these predictions that make no sense

it makes perfect sense of the nuggets win

the lakers dont have enough heart

kobe does

but hes one man

don't talk to me

and the game isnt just played in the 4th quarter

these broad statements bother me

what if im right?

thats what ed said about his 1st round predictions

"what if i'm right?"

what if the lakers have been overconfident all season and now they're panicking because they didn't expect this much resistance until the finals

thats how phil coaches

what if their bench sucks right now

like duh, fucking obviously

what if derek fisher is a liability

what if you don't know very much

what if kobe is actually an asshole and can't motivate his team

they made it to the finals last year

are you nuts

these are all red flags the lakers need to worry about

you are a fuckign moron

they played the spurs

you don't know that much about basketball

you need to step off

ok

winner of game 3 wins game 4

teams don't make it to the finals

ill be happy if it doesnt happen

i want to see a good series

i predicted nuggets to be up 2-1 and lakers to win game 1

but that's more of a huntch

i would never try to back that w/ fact

i also think the lakers win in 7

im saying this is my hunch

so therefor lakers would win game 4

and youre asking me to defend it

so i am

u were not saying it was a huntch

u were saying ridiculous things

like their bench is no good

and kobe is an asshole

like the lakers bench is suckign and kobe is an asshole?

they are better than last year

those seem true to me

and last year they made it to the finals

so therefor everything you're saying is an absolute ridiculoulsness

so because they're better they automatically make it to the finals

?

no

because that's the attitude the lakers seem to have sometimes

thats not what i said

and that's why im worried they wont make it back

THAT IS THE ATTITUDE EVERY BULLS WINNING TEAM HAD

do you not remember

and every shaq kobe team had

over confident

turn it off and on

the lakers are not the bulls

same old shit

kobe is not jordan

so fucking what

so thats argument doesnt apply here

u don't know what you're tlakign about

you really don't

i should come hoem and punch you

they are better than last year

they have bynum

you just tried to argue that the lakers are gonna win because the bulls won

thats ridiculous

no

that's not what i said

you are an asshole

bynum is inconsistent and you know it

dont' fucking misquote me

i said you can't be offput by their attitude

that's you used to substantiate your argument

thats how all phil teams are

they are more likely to win because of that attitude not lose

according to history

that was my attitude point

well i think thats wrong

and i dont think they have that attitude either

the bulls were always fighting

na

not at all

and they came in with a swagger like they wanted to fuck up the other team

they played so many uncessary game 7s

the lakers look like they want to fast forward to the finals

you clearly don't have your facts straight

i didnt say the bulls didnt struggle

they didn't play hard ALL THE TIME

im saying they were ready for that shit

phil coaches a patient systemm

u adjust over time

obviously

i dont see it in this lakers team

yes, they're better

i don't care what your "read' on the team is

but its a lot of the players from last year

you are a negative nancy

u read people negativly

and they fucking gave up in the finals last year

no

YES U DO!

all the time

im concerned that the lakers wont make the finals

that has nothing to do with this argument

you have no facts

im saying i doubt the lakers as this overwhelming favorite everybody makes them out to be

u are judging off huntch and reads

they are not an overwhelming favorite

check w/ vegas

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/matchup/_/teams/nuggets-lakers

i know they're not anymore because the nuggets have blown up this postseason

look at the "expert picks"

this is all a very recetn develpment

3 people out of 10 picked the nuggetes!

a month ago the lkaers were a lock for the finals

and almost everyone has 7 games

now they have to fight for it

they were a lock to sportcenter fans

not nba finatics

and i dont know if they're mentally prepared for that

anything can happen in the playoffs i

its a new season

yes it is

and thats why im saying the nuggets can take this series

i never said they couldn't

i actually said the nuggets could win before most people

yes you did

i was arguing against your stupid commments... saying kobe can't lead cause he's and asshole

an asshole

and their bench is weak

both completly ridiculous

they're bench could make the playoffs on their own in the east

farmar, lebron, vujichejch, walton

brown

i didnt say their bench was weak

u did

i said they're playing terribly right now

and kobe is an asshole

"

what if their bench sucks right now

"

is what u said

right now

they're obviously one of the best benches in the league

especially when odom doesnt start

but they are sucking it up right now

trevor is almost as good as lamar

he

he's great

the team to second guess is the cavs

why did you include lebron in the lakers bench?

lamar

**

i agree with the cavs

lebron looked exhausted at the end of game 1

cause he had 8 days off

that fucked them

good point

i always have disagreed about teams winning quickly and getting rest

i thint thats disadvantage

these guys play at least once every 3 days for 8 months traight

and then all of a sudden 8 days off

i think that fucks you up bad

i was arguing w/ u about the blanket statements that disregard nba/phil jackson history

the phil jackson history i cant argue with

the whole game 3 4 thing is ridiculous

is it really too farfetched to the nuggets win game 3

no

i think they'll win game 3

u know i said tha

t

then the lakers shit their pants while the nuggets suddenly relaize "oh shit, we can win this series"

but who the fuck knows!?

see thats where you're ridulous

how is that fact?

the nuggets are already supremely confident

both teams are

u don't make it to the conferance finals otherwise

of course

im not trying to say the nuggets are going through the motions or anything

but they could still have that (wait for it) moment of truth

where it really sinks in that they have a great shot at knocking off the lakers

you can't see them playing up the underdog thing in the locker room right now?

nobody expected this

sports teams love to overdo the underdog thing as a motivational tool

if they hit a point where they stop thinking they're underdogs and realize they might just win the damn thing, that could put them over the edge

what im saying is

ive been hypjg kobe vs lebron for 2 months

and now im concerned

on both end

yes... all teams look for adversary

they look motivation from all places

but they're real mojo

the thing i think u refer to

the thing that they can lose

all 4 teams have their mojo right now

and i don't think either western conferance team is the type to lose it

that's where we disagree

i think the lakers are exactly the type to lose their mojo

mojo comes first from leadership

and the lakers have the best leadership out of all 4 teams

phil, kobe and derek

no other team is that well led

you know i disagree about kobe so we'll stop getting into that

except u have no facts

my concern with them is i dont see the team chemistry

i can back up w/ facts that he's a good leader

yes, he's changed his game to be a better team player

LEADER

i said

wtf

you are not listening

he leads his team

he teachs the young ones who grew up idolizing him

hes not longer a cocky 19 year old

you are FUCKING HATER

im not hating on kobe

you are

easy proof

but look at the cavs the way they act with lebron

that he can lead

they love him

read?

ready?

you can see them all having dinner together every night

i dont see that with the lakers

its not there

whatever

these are more hearsay

no just look at them

its right there

on their faces

every night

hahaha

your reads again

its not a read

its pretty easy to see

obvoiusly both teams have good leader ship

i should say its not a hard read

u know how i know?

facts

because its right there for the world to se

cause lakers went 65-17

cavs went 66-16

u don't get those numbers w/o amazing leadership

why are the nuggst all of a susdden 54-28?

chauncey billups

how did san antonio get 54-28 even tho they are again so much?

leadship

jsut look at the records

why is detroit 39-43?

why is utah 48-34 when they should be like the lakers?

that is not just iverson

or the lack of billups

that team is done

its lack of leadship

leadership

detroit is so talented and skilled

and all proven

they lacked leadership

no larry brown and chauncy billups

thats just as much the coaching situation though

not that im hating on curry

leaderhsip

but they never get consistency

it happens on the floor and at the helm

u need both

yes

its not kobe is some virus that brings the team down

obviously

hes one of the best players ever

but i still say he's an asshole and that has a negative effect that could be their downfall

you don't know him

u are a hater

neither do you

this is where facts go to the side

when u make statements like that

how do you know he's not an asshole

i never said he was a nice guy nor an asshole

i said he was a good leader

they are doing their job

so many assholes are great leaders

who win

but who knows if he's an asshole or not

u equated asshole w/ negative effect ont he team

thats where u move into bullshit land

jordan was an asshole but he got people in line

you proving my point?

i worry that the lakers just go along with kobe

and you can say its all about fact

if it all came down to numbers and analysis, then they wouldn't bother playing

but they do play

hahaha

this is ridiculous

and they do have to prove themselves

whatever

you're saying intangibles dont matter

and i think that's bullshit

they all are constantly proving themselves

you're trying to make leadreship a tangible thing

no, i made a whole point about mojo

and that's only half true

clearly i wasn't saying intangibles don't matter

you made a point about mojo in response to me

sure

i beleive in intangables

i don't beleive in personal things about players

i don't beleive that their personal shit affects the game much

im not saying it as a personal statement abot kob

kobe

u are

that's where you're misunderstanding me

how would it affect the team

im talking about how it relates to him as a leader

because u admit that he doesn't everyhting well

u admit that he teaches them

?

u admit that they listen?

u admit that he fires them up?

u admit that phil and kobe are on the same page?

that's all positive leadership

to a certain extent, yes, of course

ok

you back up your point then

how is kobe an asshole?

how about he divided the whole team with the shaq thing?

he's only recently grown out of that personality

if you buy into that

thats

talk to raaj

and he's obviously a much better leader than he used to be

talk to anyone who knows nba really well

that was all media bullshit

the kobe shaq lakers shit

what about all the trade rumors?

leaders dont ask for trades

yes sometimes they do

kevin garnett would have died in minnesota if they didn't show him mercy

listen

you are ridiculous

tim duncan will die in san antonio

the lakers had been stagnant

u think its coincidence that the lakers all of a sudden picked up mad pleayers

after kobes trade threats

he was playing hard ball

its a business

ITS NOT PERSONAL

ITS A BUSINESS

oh please you can't credit him with that

everyone else dones

that's a garbage argument

he's not the gm

you are not educated

i'm not saying he didn't pressure them to give him a better team

every star does that

he need to do that

everyone in LA credits him for that

but don't make out to be some all knowing all powerful mastermind behind the lakers

its a standard sports business play

yes

not him being a spectacular leader

wait

and it did almost fuck the team up

garnett did do the same thing

btw

he never publicly acknowledged it

so what

same diff

he was so respectful about it

seriously

hahaha

this is more personal

put kobe in that spot

"respectful

"asshole"

these are word that discreditc u

and tell me he would have behaved that way

how he "behaved"

we don't know this type of hting

mang

man

i know how much information was made available

how much garnett didn't complain to the public

and his team was a disgrace

kobe was making the playoffs and we had to hear about how he wanted out

u could also argue that kobe stuck w/ his team and garnett didn't

i mean this is all hearsay

all bullshit

kobe would have left if there was a good team willing to take on his contract

and trade its own star

another ridiculous assumption

WHAT THE FUCK

i read about that shit

u read about the "what if futures"

that no one knows that answers to

because it NEVER HAPPENED

he might have gone to the mavs but cuban refused to give up nowitzki

he "might" have done anything

haha

don't tell me that you know if he actually wants to leave

of course not

*wanted

but there was a ton on evidence to suggest he wanted to

media media media

i never heard any evidence

just hearsay

i never heard that he put his house in LA for sale

i never heard that shit

kobe was sick of losing

now that's a fact, because i can find quotes

is shaq an asshole?

he asks for trades a lot

hahahaha

12:09 PM

hello?

is this convo done?

i have to post it

12:02 PM

you don't go straight to the source

what bugs me about kobe is that he tries so hard to be a nice guy about things

he plays and acts like jordan

he should just commit to being an asshoke

asshole

12:10 PM

more crazy assumptions

"tries so hard to be a nice guy"

u make this personal critisims

and u think these things affect the games

these unproven things affect who wins game 4

ridic!

these personal hunch criticisms do not affect who wins games!!